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Redefining Athletic Training: Ryan Paul of New Athlete
Get ready to rethink everything you know about athletic training. Today, we’re joined by Ryan RP, the mastermind behind New Athlete, a pioneering training facility in Vancouver. Ryan’s unique approach to speed training has revolutionized the lives of over 7,000 athletes, including more than 140 NFL stars and 1,000+ D1 athletes. As he charts his journey from training one athlete to running his own facility, you’ll be gripped by his passion and dedication to his craft.
Hold onto your earbuds as we delve into the nitty-gritty of Ryan’s innovative training techniques. From mastering forces to strategically redirecting body weight, Ryan’s methods are a far cry from traditional weightlifting practices. Inspired by Eastern Bloc style trainer, Jay Schroeder, Ryan’s use of isometrics has yielded significant improvements in athletic performance. We also dive into the intriguing subject of replicating the neural output from a sprint in the weight room.
Lastly, prepare for a candid discussion about the integration of different training methodologies, the rehabilitation process after severe injuries like ACL tears, and the use of cutting-edge equipment like the ARP for muscle recovery. We hear about Adrian Peterson’s inspirational ACL recovery story and discuss the potential of creating an educational podcast or course with Ryan to share his wealth of knowledge with more people. By the end, you'll understand why Ryan's training methods are transforming the sporting world.
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Alright, what's up? Ryan RP, rp baby I wanted to make this episode came out for those that don't know came out to visit a facility called New Athlete here in Vancouver and got acquainted with Ryan through universal speed rating and met him out in LA and then started tuning into some of the stuff he's doing with his athletes, paying attention to his social media and kind of doing stuff different than a lot of people in the country and came out here to visit. So we're actually doing this. One in person came out to visit and kind of see what he's doing, see what I can take back to a good old Pocatello and he's with some of my athletes there and also in my own training. So I'll give the floor to Ryan to kind of let us know a little bit about his facility, how he got into it, how long he's been doing it, athletes, what not. So go ahead.
Speaker 2:Thanks, man it's pretty awesome to have you come out. I actually got started in 24 hour fitness and it took me about four months to realize that I was not cut out for that type of training and it was horrible. So then I took the leap and said I'm going to start my own gig and my wife was like you got two weeks to make this happen. So I went from one to three to thirty three athletes in two weeks and pissed a lot of people off doing it. This area is very catty in that if a trainer has an athlete, they somehow have this unspoken ownership over that athlete.
Speaker 2:And when some of those athletes started to venture out and look at what I was doing even if it was bad that started to rub feathers and people didn't like it. So basically, I would take my equipment in my truck and I drive track to track and I would train people for speed. But that had no clue what I was doing. It was just running dudes through drills and it's probably more one of those things back then of you give an athlete that sedentary, anything and you're going to see a result. So that's what we did, not saying that these athletes were sedentary, but they just never been exposed to that type of training and, as good or bad as it may or may not have been, we got a result.
Speaker 2:So then I did that during the summer and if you know the northwest, here the summers it does not rain or it's very rare, but once the floodgates open in mid-October it's like that till May. But I didn't know that and growing up in New York if it was snowing out and we wanted to train we would just go say screw it, there's snow on the field and we play with snow, so let's go train, but kids out here don't do that. So I needed to find an indoor spot, and first facility opened up in a warehouse and it's kind of evolved to what we have today.
Speaker 1:Nice. A couple things I wanted to hit on. That is number one. I thought the point of like, at the end of the day, it should be about the athlete, and it bothers me in this industry that, like people think they own the athlete. It's like whatever is the best option for them and their journey. I wish trainers would be more open to that. And then the second thing was a lot of coaches actually asked me like how do you get started? What's the surroute? And everybody I talked to you know it's been in the industry a long time.
Speaker 1:It's always like you just have to make it happen right.
Speaker 1:Like you just, like you said, might not know exactly what you're doing, but as long as it's like somewhat safe for the athletes and you're learning as you go, it's like that's where everybody starts.
Speaker 1:Everybody thinks that they get like a certain degree or what not right, like I got my exercise science degree and I would say I use like 5% of it now like a lot of it doesn't have to do, like it all really comes from experience and you have to get that experience somehow.
Speaker 1:So I think the number one way is like find someone like yourself or like my facility where you can go and learn, and because you are going to get force fed so much information quickly that you would have a, you're like basically we're giving away, you know, for you 22 something years in industry, for me 12 like we're just feeding them as much information we can from what we found to actually be useful over time. So like taking the painstaking process of taking 12 years to learn it, for 22 years to learn it, and then you have an opportunity to go and even if you're working for free, you're able to get all that knowledge, which is invaluable, for at least a glimpse into it, right? So those two points kind of popped into my head and I want you to kind of highlight I mean you were telling me yesterday just roughly, the numbers of athletes you've worked with and their successes, spitball, some of those numbers of like how many people you've worked with and what not.
Speaker 2:Shoot. We've tipped over 7000 athletes in little over 22 years 1300 collegiate athletes, over 1000 D1 athletes, over 140 NFL athletes. I mean it's crazy and up until honestly, up until a year and a half ago, I had no idea what the numbers were because I just didn't. To me it was like, whatever, it doesn't matter, yeah, just keep training. There's a new body that comes in. Let's figure out what's wrong and go fix them, yeah. And then when you actually look at what you've done, it's like holy crap, I have no idea. And it's like 200 and I don't know almost 280 different colleges or universities that we've had athletes to.
Speaker 1:And yeah, it's pretty wild, yeah, it's nutty. So obviously over time you've what you're doing is working athletes who love it. I came in yesterday and got to completely smash and I've been, you know, training my whole life and the stuff I was doing yesterday I've been exposed like little bits and pieces of it, but never like the way it was put together, nor the like duration and length and the way that you do it. And it's funny because I asked a couple of your some of your coaches now or people that had trained with you that particularly Mitch and one of the first things he said is like the word on the street was like he heard that there was this crazy IRP that does all this weird stuff, right, and then and then he comes over and tries it out and then falls in love with it.
Speaker 1:But what you do really is like, from all the gyms I've been to, it's it's different than what I see in like 90. Well, actually, any gym really like people have different pieces of this, but the way you've put it together and implemented it from what you've learned from different sources or people Like you're running it in a way that's definitely like a formula for you guys. So I want you to go in just a little bit and explain kind of some of the stuff you do. You know you don't do a lot of traditional lifting like you'll see in gyms. You kind of focus on different muscle actions and the way you do it. So maybe just like a brief overview without giving away all your secrets of like the stuff you do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this would have been, I want to say, around 2003, 2004 Actually an 02 is when I got my first art machine. So that electric modality was piggybacked by a guy named Jay Schroeder, and Schroeder was famous for training Adam Archuleta, dwight Freny, jason Taylor, edwin James he's had a ton of guys, carlos Danesby, but anyways, jay was steeped in the Eastern Bloc type style of training. But he also mixed in what the Egyptians would do and the Greeks would do, and you even even the mention of Greeks training in Egyptians training. No one touches on that. Yeah, and I mean you got to like wormhole deep down to figure out what they're doing on this stuff. And then even on to Ivan Abhijev, who was a world-renowned strength coach from Bulgaria and he's banned in like seven different countries. I'm not, I don't really remember what it was for, but I just know that Abhijev was known for his athletes smashing records while they were trained I'm sorry, while they were injured because he would figure out ways to train around them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Getting in touch with Jay was my first introduction to any type of isometric work, you know. And then dynamic isometrics, and then into rebounds, or what we call altitudes, and just moving weight excessively fast but not moving weight. Yeah, so it's definitely not traditional lifting, but with that, if you didn't know Jay back then, the next closest thing would have possibly been Cal Deets or Buddy Morris. There's some some inroads with those guys and I've never met Cal Deets or Buddy Morris, but I know that there's some crossover between the three of them and up to now, the next name that I've ever come across that has anything to do with isometrics is Alex Naterra, and he's doing his isometric course through sports myth and it's the only thing that I found that even brushes on what Jay used to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Schroeder was my introduction to ISOs and it just it made sense to me. Yeah, and the more that we started to implement that with athletes and the better results that I saw in the health of the athlete, that's what that to me it was like. Why are more people not doing this? Yeah, it doesn't make sense to continue bashing our heads into the floor with Olympic lifting when I really still, to this day, I don't understand why Olympic lifting is the go-to. Yeah, and I'm not trying to vilify it, because I've seen very, very good coaches have amazing results, but I mean, if we're talking the mass population of how many people do Olympic lifting? Why are there not more dogs that come out of that type of system? Yeah, and I know cream always rises to the top, but it's, you know.
Speaker 1:It just doesn't make sense for sure, yeah, and like layman's terms, what I got from going through that work, like and observing, is it's like you know you're finding ways to a, a Understand gravity forces, like it's really Matt a lot of. It feels like it's mastering, controlling your body weight, moving at fast speeds, right, like when it comes to like the altitude drops and Stuff like that, and then using Implements that most people like oh, those are light implements, right, but then when you look at the way you do it and how it's moving through through space and then you're Reversing it, catching it, the four, I don't think a lot people probably understand the forces that are generated by that. Yep, and then how with it, if you know if you can actually move it quickly, has to be a lightweight, like if you are trying to do a heavy weight, you're not. You're just not going to move it as fast. And sport, obviously Athletes everything they do, I mean the best are always the fastest and they able to contract the fastest and whatnot.
Speaker 1:And so that's that's kind of like the layman's terms of like the why it doesn't look traditional is there's not people loading up a ton of Heavy weight. Yeah, it's all like lighter implements, but people are. You know the way they're doing is creating more force and like the naked eye is going to walk in and be like, well, why aren't they being in heavy weights? But the athletes are actually, you know, reducing and redirecting a ton of weight per se due to physics yeah, versus like just on the bar. So I went through yeah, I went through that workout yesterday and Like it blasted me and I was like I didn't expect that because I'm in fairly good shape and Like my body just felt like it was crazy, like the energy systems I was moving through and how my body felt in that first set. It's pretty wild, yeah, like it's very humbling.
Speaker 2:For sure, and I'm sure you have a lot of athletes that come in that are really really good in the weight room To their knowledge of and what they do, and then they come in and it's like you know you probably some guys walk out just because of how it is they do, and I think this is not an indictment on traditional lifting, but I think a lot of Athletes, especially, and today, they want that instant gratification of I just put five more pounds on the bar today than I did last week and my argument is okay, did you actually get better or did you have a song on that excited you more than yeah, you normally would have been? Maybe your girlfriend said, yes, yeah, I don't know for something, but you know I could piss an athlete off and get a five pound increment in anything, but I haven't done anything to change their athleticism. I've just changed a metric on a bar, yeah, which there's no carryover to. So we could take our youngest athletes and teach them how to absorb force Just with their body weight. They're going to get faster just because the more force they can absorb, the more they can produce. Yeah, so to me I it really started to hit home when I started getting into martial arts and I Would spar against different degree. Black belts and and there really is no difference other than the first degree and the eighth degree are the exact same thing From a fundamental standpoint, but the eighth degree hits way harder than the first degree. Yeah, now there is going to be some more knowledge and more things from the eighth to the first, but fundamentally the punch is no different. It just comes with a heck of a lot more heat, yeah.
Speaker 2:So to me it's like, if that's where it's really coming from from the brain and from a signaling standpoint and a stimulus standpoint, it makes more sense to do what we're doing, with a ton of visualization of when the athletes in an isometric lunge in our mind and they're activating it the way we want them to. They're thinking 23 miles an hour, 24 or I don't care if they can't achieve that. Yeah, but if the bar is being set higher and they're outputting a bigger physiological and neurological stimulus To the exercise, it's only gonna bump them up when they go out onto the track, yeah. So the other way that I look at this is and we got into this when we started dealing with less Spellman for those that don't understand what less means it was like okay, well, we have to have a massive neural jump For max velocity, but that's exactly what we're doing in the weight room.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I've heard other coaches say you can't train speed in the weight room. I think that's a load of crap. Yeah, you can if you do it right. And to me, if I'm going okay, well, are you saying that you can't train speed in the weight room because you're only visually looking at someone's sprinting? Therefore, you equate that to speed. If, if we're looking at the neural output from a sprint and you felt it yesterday in the lunge, yeah, they're very, very similar. It's just it's a longer duration of that same intensity, yeah, so that's that's kind of my mindset and my logic with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it's, it's really brilliant and I wish I would have been kind of turned on to it earlier, just because, true, and it's like a lot of it too, when you would get back to just basics, is like, what do you see in sport, what are the demands versus in the weight room? And you know you're not trying to mimic sport in the weight room, but you're you're trying to Get the same stimulus near, like neurologically right and speed wise, because it's like you don't see, there's no barbells and weights on the field, right, it's like all body weight mastery, being able to fire the best athletes move the smoothest, very efficient, and they're powerful and they need to be right and and so it all makes sense, like when you actually come in and see it and if you kind of understand basic principles of Physiology in the body and how it works. But it was all. It's all interesting because you don't, I don't, haven't seen it anywhere else. I'm sure other people out there are doing something along the lines, right, but they're not like right now You're the most successful doing it that I've heard of or know of Mm-hmm. Right, and it's just a whole another way to train and, and I was telling you this morning, like going through it, like I've been, I'm sore in places that I Haven't really been sore in my hips and in my legs and In one day I've had a lot of experience doing this and I still wasn't.
Speaker 1:I knew I had some a little bit of pain from past injuries and maybe some weaknesses, but I wasn't really like as I didn't really figure it out exactly.
Speaker 1:You know a great way to attack those and in one day of just doing this type of stuff, it was very apparent like where I had some weaknesses and I'm like sore in the areas that I know need to be improved, but just through my traditional lifting and whatnot, I hadn't really been able to target those like I feel like I was able to yesterday and that's one thing I want you to expound on is like I think the way you do things A is going to improve a lot of metrics that aren't thought about as much in terms of mobility and movement, and maybe a little bit about that.
Speaker 1:And then talk a little bit about some of the re like success you've had as you have. So for those listening inside the facility there's also a PT, some chiropractic, whatnot, but you've had an opportunity to work with a lot of athletes that are injured and getting them back to sport, which is still an industry like still a huge gap, I feel like. Like from what I see with traditional PT to clearing kids to play sport and all their testing we've ever done with those kids to get cleared after PT is they're not even close to where they're at before they got injured and really they should hopefully be coming back better so they don't get injured again. So I just gave you a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2:So, basically, when an athlete comes in and I'm giving you kind of the end result of a constantly evolving process, so prior to getting in with us are we went down the rabbit hole with Gota, and Gota, like a lot of programs, will swear that you have to do only what they're doing and they're going to look for video evidences and they're going to look for different things to back up exactly what they're saying but also ignore other parts of movement patterns that don't fit the scheme that they're trying to, or it doesn't fit what their narrative is. So you deep dive on that and you're like, okay, there's clearly some very obvious things that they're talking about that you then are seeing in your own practice that you can't deny. Okay, so check that box, you can't deny that. That's like going well, the sky isn't always blue. Well, really, because I see a lot of evidence that proves that it is. So then you've got that. Then you start to look at some of the holes that are in that system. So you've kind of got that veil and then you go back to like the Ultra Fit stuff with Schroeder and that was extremely linear based, anti rotational, but neurologically off the charts, but there's holes in it because in his system you never run, which doesn't make sense. But in the idea was that if you physiologically are running and visualizing in that rep, you should be able to go out and do it on the floor or the court or whatever, because you've already done it mentally and I think there is something to that. But that's extremely difficult to get the little eight year old to come in and go. Hey, think about being in the NFL. I know you're only eight and Santa Claus is coming this year, but go 100% on this. You can't. But then so you have that.
Speaker 2:Then you look at the go to side and then you look at the USR side, which is the first time that we ever had even thought about profiling or finding deficiencies in speed through data. You blend all that together and I believe that's the best way to go and attack the low hanging fruit on all the athletes, because it's easy to take. You know a kid that runs 22 and go. Is there really much more that I can do to him? He's pretty freaking fast. To begin with, I guess my job would be not to screw him up, but I don't want to do that. So why can't we get him up to 23, five, maybe even 24? But at the same time that 22 mile an hour kid has had constant shin splints and hamstrings. So we're not only going to take a side angle view of it, a data view of it, but I want to get a front angle view of it, which would be the, I guess, the go to eyes and for the record, I'm not associated with go to they.
Speaker 2:They didn't like that. I got involved with less than I don't have a problem saying it and I really don't care if it pisses them off. But you know, I appreciate the knowledge. There's parts that we use and you experienced a little bit of that yesterday. But it's not an end, all be all.
Speaker 2:And I have guys that were there quote unquote, poster child, poster children, whatever you want to call it that hit me up because they were going. I felt great but I had no juice on the field and that's that's a recurring theme that I got when we deep dived into go to and we switched everything, basically dropped ultra fit, which had been working for 20 years, dumped everything for go to guys were feeling great but they had no sauce and it's like and I almost went out of business and I would even talk to them and go look, I'm dying over here, I got to be doing some of my older stuff or I'm going to, I'm going to lose. And you know, they were just hammer, hammer, hammer. No, you got to stick to it, stick to it. And then finally it's like screw this.
Speaker 2:And then one of the beauties that I found with less is he's like I really don't care what you do in the weight room. If you want to do conjugate, do conjugate. If you want to do, go to do, go to. If you want to do this, do this. My system doesn't dictate what you do, it's just there. The numbers are what they are based on. What stimulus is you put into it? And that was that was really weird for me, because I've been in FRC, I've been in, you know, kin stretch and all that kind of stuff, and that's a very good system, but it's also limited. So but they, they will kind of almost cabal you in a way that if you're doing this, only do this cert. And that's kind of how every entity has been until I linked up with less. And that was that was weird at first because I was waiting for all right, well, what's the next ball that I have to got to drop all this stuff and sell that piece of equipment because that doesn't fit the fit the system.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now I like that and you kind of hit on what I brought up earlier and what I'm noticing is, like you, really you've taken the time and energy to dive into each one of these disciplines but then you've been able to take the things that work for you and then create the new athlete formula with all this different stuff and all of it has its place, it has its things that are good but, like you said, they try, like most organizations try, to just create, like you have to do exactly what we're saying, but you've been able to blend all this together and, you know, good is interesting in a sense because, like we talked about yesterday, I brought up is a lot of my best athletes, naturally, and my fastest and my strongest, and kids that are going to go to probably play in professional level. They all have tendencies to move the same way and some of that fits within that go-to profile, right, but that's can't be just the only piece of the puzzle, right, like it's like they move a certain way, but, okay, they already move that way. You know, we have to keep. We have to keep driving stimulus in other manners so they can create force and whatnot, right, not just like make a move a certain way and then they're good. So it's interesting how I do like some of that, and I would say 90% of my athletes that come in in the beginning or even now Don't move that way and they are Athletes that do have nagging injuries and it seems like my ones that do move like that are pretty healthy Mm-hmm in general.
Speaker 1:So I think there is something to that. So that's that's. What's interesting is it's like, but they want you to only do one thing and you're like no, no, no, you got to make, create your own blend, you got to do all these different things there's, I think there's Just to touch on what you were talking about with, like, your top guys and them having what would be as close to what Go to would want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they probably also have as close to what us are would want. Yeah, and they probably also have as close to what this system or that system has. But then when you step back and you watch them run on the field, you're like that that's, he's a dude that just has it. You just watch him move and he moves differently. And it would be amazing if all these systems could speak to each other Mm-hmm, and put their egos aside and I'm not saying or implying that each one has.
Speaker 2:They do to a certain extent, yeah, but you know again, like with less is like I don't care. Yeah, that's what you want to do. Then knock yourself out. But all the other ones are like no, don't do speed. Yeah, don't run. Okay, well, but I play a sport where I have to run. Yeah, we have it. Don't do it Doesn't make any sense. Okay, so Cool.
Speaker 2:I guess I'm gonna have to find a different program to train in or I'm gonna be limited on what knowledge I have that I got from a system. I'm gonna use it to the extent that I know and pray to God that I don't have an injury or I don't find myself in a position that something bad is gonna happen. And yeah, and you know, like everything the buzz is on Rogers right now, that thing was gonna pop, whether he was on grass or turf. Yeah, because of the positioning of the ankle and and for people to vilify a turf for that particular injury is, in my mind, is stupid, especially when you consider how you watch the ankle collapse and Then he's got a 260 pound dude on top of him. Yeah, I'm pretty sure anybody would pop at the same time, for sure, in that position with that weight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and what I'm surprised is if you, if you watch Rogers over the years of how he moves, I don't recall him trying to get out of that type of Position. He would just go down, yeah, and I think that's why he's never really had major injuries. Same with Brady outside of the ACL, but I'm pretty sure that was contact, yeah. So you know I'm kind of digressing, but again it goes back to you know, if I'm seeing something, I Don't want to just go. I don't know what. I don't know what to do with that. Yeah, there has to be a solution and yeah, the data is gonna say pretty much the same thing that the video is saying for sure, or maybe we're not quite there yet, yeah, but it's definitely gonna. You're definitely gonna see benchmarks that are gonna be like there's red flags over here in the data world. Yeah, you got it. You got to pay attention to something. The video there's. There's red flags right there. You got to pay attention to that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And and to that point too, is like that's why you need all these different pieces. And to bring it back to like you talked about, you're gonna have athletes of walking that just got it like and they're pretty good at everything, yeah, but then you're gonna get kids that are pretty bad at everything, or kids that are really good and maybe they look really good in these two sectors of your education, but in these two they're bad. So it's like I think you do. You need that wide breadth of skill sets and tools to To help each athlete in the way that they need, because a majority athletes aren't gonna walk in and have it, so the best coaches are the ones that can take those athletes, yep and elevate them across the board and then they become an athlete that does have it right, because some people are born with it and that's just how they move, for whatever reason. Maybe they crawled more as a kid in the go-to world or whatever. It's like there's just different things that happen and circumstances where athletes just come in with different skill sets and if you only have one, one hole to try to shove that athlete through, like you're not gonna be successful with the majority of the athletes that you have.
Speaker 1:And one thing that's interesting about Rogers this last year and I'm not vilifying like traditional way lifting at all, but he came in that year and said that he had. I saw a statement from him and he said he'd been getting out for the weights more than normal and lifting in the weight room. I didn't know that. Yeah, so he had stated in the like the preseason that he this is the year He'd lifted the most in the way it was making a ton of strength progress in PRs and maybe just coincidence that this is the year he happened to get hurt right. Maybe the way he was lifting and whatnot was starting to strengthen him in positions that maybe he wouldn't have got into naturally. And so now he's, you know, dropping that inside ankle bone. He's been squatting a lot, whatever. So that's all interesting not to look more into that, but it's it's entirely possible.
Speaker 2:But yeah, the thing is is that there was a period of time where you get in and you and you look and you go, oh, there's the injury. And then you deep dive on who you trained with and then you go and attack that person or attack what they're doing, and it's like that's so stupid. That's Twitter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is the Twitter champion. Somebody gets hurt and then all of a sudden, there's a thousand Achilles experts. You're like what were you up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then, on top of that you're, you've got people that have subscribed to a certain Ideology or Methodics, but they themselves have never trained anyone. They're the expert to everything. Yep, it's like the health experts for sure.
Speaker 1:And and people are gonna, like athletes are gonna get hurt. Like even if you have the best System in the entire world. Let's say like somehow you quantify that and you're like you have the best system and and Somebody's gonna get hurt. Like athletics come with the risk of Getting hurt through contact. Obviously, when you see non-contact contact injuries, you're like, oh, that might have been a little bit more avoidable. But like when you're banging up on each other or your volleyball and you're jumping up and somebody undercuts you at the net, you know like it's like there's nothing you can do. You know with with us or in our facilities that are gonna stop that injury from happening. And that's tough as a coach sometimes too, is just being okay with that Like you're like because you really connect, you become friends with these kids and oh, sure and mentors, and then you know you feel a responsibility when stuff like that happens.
Speaker 2:I feel like Every trainer that's been in it for a while you know, every everyone has a logo that's pristine and it's clean and it's nice. I Would almost rather have the logo that looks like it's been run through the ringer yeah, eat up, it's chipped, it's cracked. Because every trainer has had some athlete that they're like oh my gosh, this is my guy and something happens. Yeah, and it's like Frank, are you kidding? And it's almost like you take it personal because you've invested so much time and effort and energy to them. They've given you that or they've reciprocated that and it didn't work out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had one like we knock on wood. We're lucky We've only had one. One like ACL tearing a soccer role that we've trained for like an extended amount of time and it's crazy, man, like she would have been the last athlete. Based on how she moved I would have assumed and she picked up basketball or senior year just for fun after she already committed for soccer hadn't played in four years, literally first play, like first down and back on the court, just tears or ACL, like sucks just went, somebody went to drill by or just a cut to tears or ACL and and blows our minds because we're like everything about her looks like she's not going to do that, yep, and that ripped us up. But she the good side was, is she? I mean she got back, was able and stepped on the college soccer field in eight months and was able to start playing like she. Between that transition she worked her ass off but she's still playing, yeah, so she had that base to where she was able to recover Faster from that injury like that's the perks, I think, of doing this tennis type stuff too is like when, if something does happen like that, your body, it seems like you're able to get back from that quicker and maintain some of the strength you had and and whatnot.
Speaker 1:So she was able to show up the day she was supposed to and be ready to play with a brace on. But that was big for us. But I know you've shared with me I mean with the type of stuff you're doing in here like I wish I knew a little bit. I implemented some more of this stuff with her on the way back, because you I mean you had stated that you guys were able to Get people back from like. We'll just use ACL as an example, because that's like a very common injury with athletes and it typically takes nine months to a year. You know, doing this kind of stuff getting the nervous system firing and the different types of mobility and drills and stuff you do like you've been able to get athletes back pretty fast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was. We had a run where. So I've had personally over a hundred ACLs, yeah, and the fastest was two weeks in that. I know that's crazy, yeah, but through the use of the ARP and Heavy, heavy ISOs, the ACL had actually reattached on its own. Wow, and I know people think I'm batshit crazy to even say that. Yeah, but If the environment is right, the body is designed to heal itself. Yep, but I would never advertise that because it's like that's like going I, yeah, you train here, I'll get you a scholarship. Yeah, I mean that's as crazy as that is.
Speaker 2:But normal post-op ACL is about 12 to 14 weeks. Yeah, the problem is If insurance is involved, that's gonna be a little bit different. Yeah, but most of the PT education Is it stuck in a book and it's a number and you can't violate that number. Yeah, it's six to eight months period and now we're starting to see the nine to twelve months come back. Yep, and I've even got I had a kid that came in that was on month 15. It's crazy and was not running and I don't, I don't understand. I'm like how did we go back to 1980 on ACL rehab? I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, you gotta get more visits.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's just blows my mind. But the problem was the athlete was so scared to do anything dynamic, yeah, that we had. We had to overcome the fear before we could even worry about moving. Yep, and it's just. I Don't understand it. If it's a money thing, I guess I get it. Yeah, from an insurance standpoint. But how could you, in good faith, unless you are so married to what you're doing, yeah, that you essentially ignore everything else? It's in the industry, in your PT world? Yeah, I mean, how can you, how could you go? Oh, my gosh, that guy in the NFL came back in six months.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean Adrian Peterson did it in three and that's the highest levels of movement. You know I'm saying like that's, that's being ready to go, yeah, in the NFL.
Speaker 2:But but this, this little girl who is in a, she's healthy, yeah, she should heal fast and you're at 15 months, yeah, yeah, I think that's a good like.
Speaker 1:I think that brings into light like also a lot of in that world, they'll terrify the kid to do stuff and it's like I think the faster you can get back into like that performance mindset with an athlete that's been hurt and Getting in the buy-ins who like getting after it to get better and not that like you have to wait this amount of time, no matter what. Yeah, I think that's huge because I do think probably a lot of those slow recoveries are, like you said, more Themselves holding them, like holding themselves back Because they're scared, yep, and they don't want to get like getting hurt. It can be scary, like I tore my Achilles, tore on quarter sub 10 and like I've had some pretty bad injuries and it can be terrifying for some. I was like I'm just dumb so I always like would get back to doing things as quick as I could, even if I wasn't supposed to, because I figured like if it doesn't hurt too bad then it's okay, and I think I wasn't knowledgeable enough, like I missed some stuff for sure, like we found out yesterday. But I've been able to get back to doing everything I love to do at a decent level for my age and and.
Speaker 1:But I see athletes all the time that even the smallest injuries like they'll just they'll be terrified even if, even if they like Kind of pull their hamstring or they have a hurt ankle and they're out. I mean they don't want to do anything, yep, and they're just like scared to do things. And the way to get better faster is to get the body moving, like get the body trusting again and moving and going through. Yeah, for sure, you're fine. I can just cut that out. Um, so that's a good point. And lastly it we've mentioned the ARP a couple times. Just for those listening, if there's some people listening or interested in it, like just a little bit of like what it is, how it works and how you use it on the body.
Speaker 2:So the ARP is an electric modality that identifies where the electrical disconnect is in the muscle itself. So in the pt Goggles, if you throw those on, I'm it's identifying the sodium potassium leakage in the cell. So once we can identify where that is the greatest, that responds to inflammation which, if inflammation is left long enough, it will form scar tissue. If scar tissues is left long enough, it will begin to Create osteophytes and then osteoblasts and then bone and or you'll calcify. Um, I messed the time frame up on that. So If you've ever seen a kid that has osgur slotters severe, I mean you it looks like an elbow below their knee on the tibial tuberosity and it's horrendously painful because that ligament is being constantly inflamed or torn or stretched. Um, but a lot of that is because the quad can't absorb force and all that force is being sent to that particular point. So what does that have to do with the ARP? The ARP identifies where that muscle is shut down, so it brings that muscle back online To absorb force, which then redirects the force or absorbs it from going to that ligament, tendon, bone. Yeah, so that's, that's essentially what the ARP does. It's the patient or the client comes in and goes.
Speaker 2:The ARP healed me. Well, I'll technically know. Yeah, the ARP removed what was preventing you from healing you. Yeah, but that sounds way less sexy, for sure.
Speaker 1:So is there a way like you know that obviously there's stim units available to general public is there ways for them to kind of Get some of that benefit with those, like if they went and purchase those, or is this kind of?
Speaker 2:You need a professional to kind of help you with that ARP basically went the illegal route and sold them to individuals without a medical license. And the reason I know this is because I was one of them and I never should have had the ARP. But I did because they're like all right, well, you, you seem kind of cool and you train people. So $22,000 for your first one, yeah, and my wife thought I was an idiot. To me back then it was like I don't care, I saw what I saw. Yeah, I can't unsee it. I know there's something there. I'll be, I'll be dumb enough to chase the penny, yeah, and which is probably also why I've done so damn many certs yeah, because I see something. I'm like, oh my gosh, that's that, that's the thing, yeah. And then you get in and it's like well, it's got some good stuff, but it's not the end, I'll be all nope, there's the new one, there's the new one. But anyways, with the ARP, um, you can buy them as an individual. The problem is is the education, for it Is extremely limited and the way that ARP operates is they essentially hold you hostage to. They have all the knowledge you need them, because you couldn't possibly operate the machine without it. Yeah, and once I understood how the machine worked because it also works on Meridians of the body, yeah, which, for those that don't understand what meridians are in Chinese medicine or in acupuncture, which is that's it. There's channels of energy in the body which operates on the fascial planes and the ARP responds to the fascial Deficiencies. Also, got you. So I do believe that there will be, at some point, products that individuals can purchase. Yeah, um, it's just gonna take a while, because I know in 07, the original Thera stim, which was then later Remain to ARP, in 07, that patent expired, gotcha, and a lot of people Bought the ARPs, reverse engineered, copied, brought to market.
Speaker 2:Uh, there's been quite a few that have come and gone. Sense, yeah, but it's out there. You just got to dig a little bit, you got to be patient. You can find them in NFL locker rooms. Yeah, but that's. You go into the pro level in the highest of the high and you see Stuff that you've never seen before. Yeah, like the hologram that you're wearing. Yeah, you know that's. I've seen a couple NFL guys that are wearing Different holograms. Now, they may not have got them from me, because I have that there's another little voodoo thing but they have them and they're looking for any edge that they can get. Yeah, but they also have to do it from a legality standpoint, because you couldn't walk around the locker room going that's a red flag. Someone from the front office is going to come in and say, oh, we want to test you, but anyways, that's the art Cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought it was really interesting and obviously it's working because there's a ton of athletes coming in that want to hop on it, so they're feeling better. You did my leg yesterday and I still feel like my foot on my Achilles side, my big toe, is firing better, like I feel like that it feels better than it did before. So it's really interesting and I think it's really cool how you blended all these different things together and obviously athletes are getting great results. And last point was this is totally swinging it back, but you just showed me some pictures this morning of like it even kind of blew my mind on how much muscle some of these athletes you're working with are putting on. You know, three months, four months, five months but they're not doing what you would think puts on muscle Right Like you would walk, and if you would walk in here you would see the guy people doing stuff and you might be like, oh, that's like if you kind of got it, you'd be like, okay, this is going to carry over the field, they're going to be moving faster and be running fast.
Speaker 1:This is good stuff. But then to think like, oh, they're also going to put on 15, 20, 30 pounds of muscle doing this stuff. That kind of blew my mind Like, yeah, I mean maybe you can speak to that a little bit, but like the transformations that you just showed me were kind of like better than what I probably would get doing bodybuilding with athletes, yeah it's kind of nuts, it's wild.
Speaker 2:And that was another thing. That. And I don't believe there's a lot of literature on long duration isometrics. I think in the industry most that do, isometrics cap it at like 30 seconds at the most. We're like F, that we're going five minutes. Yeah, and apparently the Italians found that when they were doing long duration isos you got to a spot where a minute 30, you kind of hit a benchmark. Three minutes you hit a benchmark, and then five minutes you hit a super compensatory benchmark.
Speaker 2:And I'm not saying one rep exclusively for five minutes, what I'm saying is time under tension. For five minutes you're obviously going to have breaks because your, your pyruvate is going to get through the roof, the muscle is going to heat up, it's going to shut down, so you have to use O2 to recover, blah, blah, blah. But the thing is is that you get to that five minute mark and the body is forced to, because of the demand, create more IGF one. And through that that's where I mean all those dudes have that. Just they look rocked out, yeah, but they're flying, they're healthy.
Speaker 2:And then when we go into, like the traditional setting and teams are going okay, well, let's get a, we got to get marks on you and they're blowing their lifts through the roof but they haven't touched a bar. It's crazy. But I would say that for, let's say, the basic athlete that comes in from your traditional high school program where it's bench squat clean. If they deep dive to what they're we're doing, their lifts go back up like through the roof in that traditional setting. If they kind of go, well, I like it. It's something different and they're kind of like one foot in, one foot out. They just kind of waffle and they they plateau at the same rate that they normally would in the traditional setting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And because Mitch was a good example to actually told me that. You know, he trained with you all of high school and really touched cleans and you were like when you get there, it'll make sense. And he, he shows up to the way room and college setting is asked to do cleans and he's lifting more weight than a lot of guys there as like a pretty small dude and he was just clicked for him Like, yeah, that makes sense, cause he kind of dove into it and had never done that before but was able to lift more weight than a lot of the guys been doing their whole lives. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So so that reminds me. So what we were also doing with calculating forces dropping off of a box is basically the. The rule of thumb was every six inches you double your weight in force. Yeah, and that can be dictated on how fast you stop or how slow you stop. But I never really had a tool up until we started using the Hawken to figure out are we even close? Yeah, so let's assume that we were wrong. If that was our benchmark, then our benchmark was consistent through everyone that we were using. Once we use the Hawken.
Speaker 2:We then saw okay, we're actually pretty close to those calculations. Give or take four to maybe 500 pounds of force, yeah, but I mean, if you're dropping, you know, a 200 pound athlete off of a 42 inch box, is that 500 pounds really making that much difference? If it's 3000 pounds of force, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if that could based on how they're landing. But I mean, that's just going back to more of like how I would kind of think of things. That was my, those were my KPIs, before I even knew what KPIs were.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's awesome and I wanted to mention too, for those that don't know, like another benefit of this isometric training too is tendon and ligament health Big time Right, and that's obviously those are the big injuries and the slowest healing injuries, and I mean a lot of science on that, a lot of data on that you can look at is, like, that's well known in all, basically across all industries. That, like the isometric action is how you heal and lengthen and strengthen tendons and whatnot.
Speaker 1:So you're getting both you know, you're getting both of that, like you're getting work on both sides of that spectrum, and that's missed a lot in a lot of programs and there's a lot of people with a lot of athletes that have injuries or things that don't go away, whether they're acute or not, you know. So it seems like you're a pretty healthy population athletes here and they're all moving pretty well and I've just been kind of watching out in the weight room and so it's definitely successful. But I appreciate you taking the time to, you know, host me and let me come out and check out all the things you're doing. And you know, my goal is to bring like something world-class to little Pocatello, Idaho small town where I grew up, and this is a piece of that is coming and learning from people that in the industry I see doing a really good job and then, like you did, going and finding things that work for your population and then putting them all together into that formula and you're going to be a big part of that. So I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:No, thanks, man, love having you.
Speaker 1:Thanks for being on. If you guys want to check out some of our P stuff, definitely I'll let them. If I miss anything, go ahead and jump in. So we have the new athlete Instagram, and then I don't know if you do anything on any other platforms. Twitter is the new athlete.
Speaker 2:Okay, and then newathletecom Okay, and I think our TikTok is the new athlete. Okay.
Speaker 1:Yep, so put that in the Analyst platforms. I definitely recommend going to Fallon. They put a ton of good stuff out on Instagram. Maybe we can get RP to start his own podcast and share some of the knowledge. You know whether it's a course down the road. I think it could be in the works. But again, appreciate having on and thanks for listening guys.
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